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update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 26. Jan 2010, 11:57
von Rein
On the last update the program made changes which it shouldn't, I think.
First it said that the original settings would be kept.
That is not true. The pugins setting was changed. Some plugins even disappeared, and had to be installed again, the order was changed completely.

Second, and that's really annoying, it shows in the learning facility the email from friends (as not classified - and luckily- as non spam).
I want to mark only spam or non spam, which is incorrectly marked, to learn. Before you could easily select the unmarked spam, and know by sight if its was correctly seen as non-spam (in a I blink). Now I have to check ànd if a sender is already seen as friend (if correctly marked as non-spam which I do most of the times), and if it is spam.

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 26. Jan 2010, 14:27
von Chactory
Hello Rein!

True, the saving of the settings is not provided in all its consequence ... I think that this results from the major changes which do not allow to use all the previously appreciated plugins furthermore.

The second result may be due to a setting in the filter properties. If "lerne automatically from my friends" is activated, mails from senders listed in the friends list will not show up in the training facility. Please take a look into your Spamihilator settings and under the item training area, let Spamihilator pre-mark mails received.

Regards, Chactory

learning from friends

BeitragVerfasst: 30. Jan 2010, 14:34
von Rein
I indeed do not learn from friends, and haven't done so in the former version.
And I don't want to either. I made the choice some years ago, because it polluted the learning filter in an extreme way. In fact, it became the worst performing filter of all. If I could switch it off, I would have done so!
- but I can't because I think the link filter uses it as well. True?

For instance:
I have a English newsletter while I 'program' the non-spam filter in a way it recognizes only Dutch words (very effective!). Not a combination that works when the learningfilters learns to see the newsletter as non-spam of course.

Conclusion: as I see it it's a not good adjustment

Re: learning from friends

BeitragVerfasst: 30. Jan 2010, 15:18
von Chactory
Hi Rein,

by the way, didn't you active the pre-mark function of Spamihilator in the training window? (You have written about a problem concerning that in the last sentences in your first posting.)

Perhaps you are dealing with the same problem I'm concerning about a while: Normally, you should collect newsletters in the NEwsletter Filter, but there is no function programmed to collect newsletter senders in that filter, unfortunately. Normally, you should collect all newsletters by their signature or assembled receiver adress, and - not yet programmed - sender address, and not show them in the training window, and not learn from them, because they will badly pollute the Learning Filter. To me it seems that you have collected your newsletters in the friends list, which is not very useful ...

Hmm, I think you should be able to use the Link Filter and deactivate the Learning Filter. But I would rather recommend to you to clean the memory of the polluted Learning Filter and never pollute it again with newsletters.

Regards, Chactory

Re: learning from friends

BeitragVerfasst: 5. Feb 2010, 20:52
von Chactory
Hi!

I'm a little bit unhappy about not getting an answer any more, because I have thought over this problem very carefully.

Regards, Chactory

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Feb 2010, 11:17
von Rein
Sorry that you waited for a reply.
The new update changed all, and I was waiting for some experience with it.
The 'friends' mails are marked now as filter, that's something.
But I still are wondering why they appear in the training area at all. They didn't in the past, and I think it's complete unnecessary.
Really still annoying is the fact that it doesn't react as a filter: it mingles with the not filtered mails (it doesn't sort out in the list). Is that because the "()" as "(friend)"? Than it should be removed. Otherwise: please do not make those mail appear in the trainingarea.

My remark about newsletters was only to point out how mail from friends can pollute the trainingwords. In other mails it can happen as well. From a lot of mails from friends I don't want that they are learned from.

I don't use the newsletter plugin, because I don't trust it, and have not that much newsletters.

I haven't have have anything premarked at all.
Also because the learning filter is the most unreliable of all filters - if there are mistakes being made than it is for sure with this filter. If the "link filter" wasn't that great I would skip it.

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Feb 2010, 14:51
von Chactory

new spamwords in spamwordsfilter

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Feb 2010, 14:59
von Rein
There are a lot of new spamwords in the spamwordsfilter, especially those with (){} and lookalikes.
I thought great: only spammers use those crazy things.
To my astonishment that's not true.
Realy realy normal email seems to have those - at least that's what the filter says. But when I take a look: no sign of them. I even made a htm file of it and looked in Homesite to look at the HTML codes.... nothing.

But one way or the other: it seems that those new 'words' suck!
Should I reduce them to zero %, or are not all of those a problem...
(ps: thought it would be easy to place this message here - but if you want me to make a new thread, I'll do it)

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Feb 2010, 15:10
von Rein
Thank you - I missed that new possibility.

About the cleaning of the learning filter: I did that quit a few times, as well as my partner on her computer. But the problem appears after a while (and of course at the beginning when you train intensively).

Re: new spamwords in spamwordsfilter

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Feb 2010, 15:19
von Chactory

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 6. Feb 2010, 15:40
von Chactory

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 8. Feb 2010, 10:06
von Rein
I send an email to the emailadres of Michael, but maybe that was the wrong one.
Of course I can't place an email on this page, so where can I send it to.
I really want to help....
I forgot your other remark.
Before I unchecked the premark function I used it for quite some years.
Just because I was not satisfied with the learning filter I unchecked it.
I believe I even posted about that problem on this forum.

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 8. Feb 2010, 10:48
von Chactory

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 12. Feb 2010, 14:05
von Rein
I did send you (Michel in fact) two mails and asked for a sending confirmation.
I did not receive such.
Therefore I ask it on this place.

Re: update complaint

BeitragVerfasst: 15. Feb 2010, 20:47
von michel
Hi!

Sorry, I did not know how to handle these mails because I did not read this thread yet. I just forwarded the mails to Chactory. Hopefully they will not be catched by his Spamihilator :)

Regards,
Michel